| | Susanne, hi sara
10/9/2009
12:30:08 PM
| Hi sara, how r u
By 'it' I simply mean this multi faceted condition .. as we are unraveling and still learning more of its properties, we have found it includes many areas that are affected, ex. vision, etc all symptoms, the parasites, fungi, etc . .the internal, the external . .mental and emotional . since it is multi faceted, it makes sense to me to conquer it with a multi faceted strategy . .kinda a back at cha rebuttal. Hope this is clarification . . .sooz :)
 | Mr Common Sense
10/9/2009
9:37:21 AM
| Are you saying you never had a fiber or never saw an'insect' type of entity on your person?Or felt crawling under your skin or saw things in your eyes or felt biting or stinging?I think I must be misunderstanding you.
No, I indeed had all of those things ... Terrible bitig crawling, fibers galore, red and blue and the thick black ones ... | Mr. Common Sense
10/9/2009
9:35:18 AM
| To all, let me give you three posts you might want to read today, they are but a few posts, but very important ones and shed light on my discovery and total about face in fighting Morgellons.
'It's All About the Terrain'
http://morgellonspgpr.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/its-all-about-the-terrain/
'Morgellons Disease There is No Spoon' (watch the video too)
http://morgellonspgpr.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/morgellons-disease-there-is-no-spoon/
'Morgellons The Poor Mans Protocol'
http://morgellonspgpr.wordpress.com/2009/08/08/morgellons-the-poor-mans-protocol/
Now, when I adjusted my thinking I was realizing after years of this that what I was doing wasn't working. I was essentially attacking a disease which did not exist, oh I was very sick, the condition is real, but in my opinion, there is no disease in terms as we are used to thinking.
Someone above said they had tons of sinus infections and were just taking antibiotic after antibiotic, well same for me. That is a major indicator of a very acidic body. An acidic body leaches out calcium and magnesium out of your body to buffer the acid, you carry far less oxygen in your blood, bacteria, cancer cells and so on begin to grow rapidly, I can't even describe the process that starts in motion and it is catastrophic unless you correct it. It seem almost rediculous that something so basic as my 'Poor mans Protocol' can restore you body back to where it should be without antibiotics, antifungals, antiparasiticals but it works.
A Morgellons patients gut becomes so messed up you can barely digest your food, and you do suffer from mineral loss and malabsorption.
You want to see something interesting on your PH and acid? check this out ...
'Morgellons Get Your Swimming Pool Cleaned Up'
http://morgellonspgpr.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/morgellons-get-your-swimming-pool-cleaned-up/
Watch the first Video by 'Doctor Rotcod' ;) she's awesome ..
| Pamela Mae
10/9/2009
2:36:35 AM
| Sara?
Its so wonderful isn't it that some of us have gone before and unraveled some of the black holes?
What I have posted is in support of John Bs theory,I am pretty sure what you first said was the same?The wonderful Doctors and Holistic Nutritionist -are for everyone,not just me.
The Testing is in support of moving the approach to total natural wellness,but tried and proven to pin point specifics so we don't have to hit and miss.
The antibiotics ,taken for a short time really ,and for me better than trading vein integrity with the intense IV therapy that I would need,I am very ill.
I believe it a blessing to be able to re supply my body with Pro biotics for the time I have to be on antibiotics
I do believe I have also said 'Lets make the tree stronger' I have supported my theory with testing.
It is a wonderful gift from our creator that the basic protocol(which once again should not have to last forever) is supported by valid testing.
This so that we can move into (since we are using the tree theory ....'solid oaks with no black holes' and see that the 'Protocol'also has transitioned in to a Holistic body support as well.
I look forward to getting to know you 'Sara?'
I feel I know you and I believe what I have been given is true,supported,not supposed and freely given to help all...
Bless you my friend.....I have a vision of myself and all those whom I can help - running free of illness and dancing in the sunlight with beautiful faces -free of lesions and delivered from worries of infecting others who are loved.
Pamela Mae | Sara
10/9/2009
12:51:44 AM
| Hi Gigi,
Thanks for the response. Your doing candida diet, right? If you wouldn't mind, what all is on your diet? What do you think has made the biggest difference there? I think you maybe told me once on MCS blog (I go by a different name there), but I'm not sure.
Also, not sure if I'm going to try the barley. My food prep, shopping, caring for kids with different diet needs, etc, is already big time commitment. We'll see.
To Susanne,
with respect, I'm of the belief that there is no "it" per se. I am in nearly full agreement with the email which Mr. CS quoted. But we are all free to expolore ideas and exchange info, and for that I am very grateful to Mel and Mr. CS and to the internet, without all of whom and which I would be in far worse shape and alone besides!
To Pamela Mae,
I think John B. somewhere said in a great post that there is a time and a place for anti-bacterials, -virals, etc. to support the body through specific infections. But over time, the fungal, viral and bacterial load will get lighter, one battle at a time, and the body, if we take the right steps to support it, will get stronger and become a better fighter ultimately. I probably did not paraphrase it well, but his post made a lot of sense to me.
Personally, I do believe that if we make the tree strong enough, the bugs will go. Naive and overly simplistic perhaps? I can see that there is a factor in "Morgellons", a sort of compounding, cascading factor which makes getting better sort of like amassing enormous debt--it becomes a black hole that is crushing and feels impossible to climb out of because the different components all sort of magnify eachother and contribute to further downward spiral. On the other hand, I believe this is simply the the mirror image of what a healthy body does. A healthy body is a sort of miracle of intelligence, but it needs the right support. I think that if we mess with the imputs enough (and most of us have, with our diets, synthetic chemicals in our homes and meds, and pollution in our world) our bodies begin to fall apart. And so we throw at our bodies more anti-biotics, pesticides, commercial laundry detergents, etc, but then we are even further from where we want to be, and our health seems irretrievably lost. How much more support our bodies need in this fight to get to a place of normalcy. This is my understanding of Morgellons at this time.
For you, it seems you have taken a very proactive approach and that you have a wonderful doctor who can help you target exactly what you need. Best of luck in your treatment. | Susanne
10/8/2009
11:32:23 PM
| I think I would have the IV's ..I wish I had that choice b/c thats one I would pick ..and chelation therapy. .
or is chelation what you are talking about?
I just want to be as well as I can , whatever it takes.
GiGi, what is ESP and DSP?
I actually believe we have to conquer this in every angle possible. .
afterall, isnt that what 'it' tried to do to us ??
love susanne
| gigi22
10/8/2009
9:05:43 PM
| Hi Sara -
I am now doing the barley once or twice a week. It's a large time commitment to what I am already doing. The barley is just a topical treatment. By the time I started the barley, most of my internal symptoms had resolved, and so did the crawling and biting and most of the stinging. So I would say nutrition is much more important. HOWEVER, I have always been using topical treatments (ESP, DSP products, antifungal shampoo, antifungal bath soaks), since the beginning, and I have to attribute some of this to getting well also. | Pamela Mae
10/8/2009
8:36:14 PM
| Hello Mr. Common Sense,
Interesting.
I am not sure what you are saying?
Please forgive me I can be a bit thick sometimes.
Are you saying you never had a fiber or never saw an'insect' type of entity on your person?Or felt crawling under your skin or saw things in your eyes or felt biting or stinging?I think I must be misunderstanding you.
Maybe you are just restating 'if you strengthen the 'tree' the insects will go?
I will be posting results of a test I had done called 'Organic Acid Urine Testing'and 'CST'maybe you would be interested in reading it.I will also include here a quick sketch below.
I think all morgellons patients would benefit by having this evaluation.
I have had this condition for many years.
Because of having radiation to my Thymic gland my immune system definitely needs support,My thyroid also needs support,my adrenals,and hormonal balance is always monitored.
With this weakened condition-sometimes supporting my bio terrain is not enough.
I am an exception to a basically healthy person such as yourself.
This is why I had the testing done.
I understand some of my findings can be supported by natural means and my goal is always ultimately to make my whole approach by natural support.
But I was given a choice by my Doctor to have IVs 2 x a week for several months or to stay on this whole protocol. He is a very well known as and Integrative cancer treatment specialist.
Better than IVs and vein integrity loss.
The testing showed *
BioFilm Coating Stomache and Intestines
Bacteria overgrowth
Adrenal System Overload
Oxidative Stress
Gamma strep 4+
Citrobacter freundii 4+
Enterobacter sakazakii 4+
Klebsiella pneumonia 4+
Candida spp. 2+
Thanks so much for your kindness in posting and helping,
Pamela Mae | Sara
10/8/2009
7:17:07 PM
| Gigi,
How is your barley treatment, and if successful, how much of your improvement do you attribute to the barley, and how much to the other issues like nutrition? | gigi22
10/8/2009
3:53:18 PM
| Hi Mr. Common Sense. The things you say, well, MAKE SENSE.
Weird you should talk about HYPER TOXICITY. It was several rounds of antibiotics for what doctors thought was a sinus infection which landed me in the M world. Each round just made me sicker and sicker.
My new doc told me that there is no doubt I am dealing with mold issues, however, that is just one piece of the pie, and that's where I've been spending all of my time and energy. Spend the time on the other pieces of the pie, and your body will take care of the mold piece more easily ... otherwise, you will just be spinning your wheels over and over again.
The other pieces of my pie we are still trying to uncover. But it's looking more like nutrient deficiencies, heavy metal toxicity, food intolerances, and thyroid dysfunction are all playing roles in my illness. These are the things I am focusing on, and less on the killing of mold/yeast... I am improving every day.
| Mr. Common Sense **
10/8/2009
3:36:24 PM | I received this in the email the other and couldn't agree more. By the way, my health is better everyday, I'm training for a 5k run, doing only natual things, my poor mans protocol, no antibiotics, natural or chemical, no anti-parasiticals ...
I read a post on this forum the other day where some doctor said my protocol wouldn't work on parasites and might help with neuro issues. I beg to differ, I with you could see how healty I've become ...
Here is the email I received and posted on my blog, it really struck a chord with me ...
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We just say, 'Morgellons Disease does not exist.' We are researching HYPER TOXICITY SYNDROME, which is defined as bodily states so toxic that further pharmaceutical treatments cause observable local, or general debilitation. This was once common mainly among the elderly, but now, it is among the young. There is so much environmental, nutritional, and pharmaceutical tissue pollution these days that side effects are rampant, and far more unpredictable. Almost any conventional treatment sickens them further. We must expand beyond fixation on skin symptoms. There will be found to be hundreds of other ailments related to HYPER TOXICITY. This is much bigger than the old Morgellons goof up.
It is well known that healthy, toxin free, well fertilized trees, and vegetables are, to a large extent immune to insect, and parasite invasion. TOXIC DEBILITATION should be expected to make the skin, very susceptible to parasitic invasion. Good. Now we have some winning terminology.
HYPER TOXICITY can easily be researched via computerized medical databases. I would advise that further proclamation that Morgellons exists is a self defeating effort, because the disease has been redefined into something which really does not exist.
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Mr Common Sense
http://morgellonspgpr.wordpress.com/all-articles/
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